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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;A Generational Challenge to Repower America&#8221; by Al Gore</title>
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		<title>By: Starstuff</title>
		<link>http://www.rule-twentynine.com/2008/07/17/a-generational-challenge-to-repower-america-by-al-gore/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Starstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it happens, here is a prime example of why I despise the current US administration and what power lobbies have (and that probably not just in the US):
&lt;a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/more-on-why-white-house-blocked-co2-curbs/index.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;"More on why White House blocked CO2 curbs"&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens, here is a prime example of why I despise the current US administration and what power lobbies have (and that probably not just in the US):<br />
<a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/more-on-why-white-house-blocked-co2-curbs/index.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#8220;More on why White House blocked CO2 curbs&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I guess it's a controversial topic. Let's just say for now that I always have an uneasy feeling if politicians (even if democratically elected) act against the vast majority of people just because of the "greater good". While it might be true that "ordinary citizens" sometimes don't see the big picture, this kind of attitude can only be justified if you assume that the government is indeed way smarter than everyone else and acting completely altruistically for the good of the people. Well, since I have my doubts that this holds true for the average politician I only hesitantly agree to let them do anything by force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I guess it&#8217;s a controversial topic. Let&#8217;s just say for now that I always have an uneasy feeling if politicians (even if democratically elected) act against the vast majority of people just because of the &#8220;greater good&#8221;. While it might be true that &#8220;ordinary citizens&#8221; sometimes don&#8217;t see the big picture, this kind of attitude can only be justified if you assume that the government is indeed way smarter than everyone else and acting completely altruistically for the good of the people. Well, since I have my doubts that this holds true for the average politician I only hesitantly agree to let them do anything by force.</p>
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		<title>By: Starstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthias, welcome down here :)

This might be really controversial, but I think that sometimes people &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to be forced to do certain things and that is what an elected government is for. The people as a mass certainly won't do anything that will cause them discomfort or cost them money. To appeal to the people's conscience won't work either because the problem is just WAY too big to be grasped by more than just a few.

I think the issue of environmental protection along with the stronger focus on clean energy sources HAS to be forced by governments and international organizations. They have the power to do that and they should use it. That would, for a change, benefit all of us (I know, I am being sarcastic about how politicians often do things only for themselves - seemingly).

There are already many companies out there which try to get a foot in the door and establish a market for cars fueled by clean energy; there are the companies that have the knowledge about solar, wind and water energy. The only reason there is hardly any market for it is the cost - well, and because the lobbies for the oil/gas companies are so much stronger and powerful *cough*Remember the debate in the US about cars having to meet certain environmental guidelines this year*cough* And probably the latter has a large influence on the former.

I think once a government has established a legal framework (taxes, house building guidelines, energy preservation rules and so on) that calls for action from both the economy and the people, what choice do you have but to comply? Yes, maybe grudgingly, but which major change has ever come easy?

Of course, these are my dreams and that probably won't happen until it is too late and then everyone will just be in a frenzy to do &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthias, welcome down here <img src='http://www.rule-twentynine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
This might be really controversial, but I think that sometimes people <em>have</em> to be forced to do certain things and that is what an elected government is for. The people as a mass certainly won&#8217;t do anything that will cause them discomfort or cost them money. To appeal to the people&#8217;s conscience won&#8217;t work either because the problem is just WAY too big to be grasped by more than just a few.</p>
<p>I think the issue of environmental protection along with the stronger focus on clean energy sources HAS to be forced by governments and international organizations. They have the power to do that and they should use it. That would, for a change, benefit all of us (I know, I am being sarcastic about how politicians often do things only for themselves - seemingly).</p>
<p>There are already many companies out there which try to get a foot in the door and establish a market for cars fueled by clean energy; there are the companies that have the knowledge about solar, wind and water energy. The only reason there is hardly any market for it is the cost - well, and because the lobbies for the oil/gas companies are so much stronger and powerful *cough*Remember the debate in the US about cars having to meet certain environmental guidelines this year*cough* And probably the latter has a large influence on the former.</p>
<p>I think once a government has established a legal framework (taxes, house building guidelines, energy preservation rules and so on) that calls for action from both the economy and the people, what choice do you have but to comply? Yes, maybe grudgingly, but which major change has ever come easy?</p>
<p>Of course, these are my dreams and that probably won&#8217;t happen until it is too late and then everyone will just be in a frenzy to do <em>something</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://www.rule-twentynine.com/2008/07/17/a-generational-challenge-to-repower-america-by-al-gore/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also made it to the end of his speech. ;)

Well, there is a lot of truth in his words that something must be done and it must be done right now - totally irrespective, by the way, of the question whether global warming is a reality or but an illusion due to "normal fluctuations". The ongoing scientific discussions about this question (which has not yet been answered conclusively) fuel Gore's opponents who gladly accuse him of presenting debated theories as facts, deliberately ignoring that global warming is not the only reason why anything must be changed at all.

For me the most important issue is the dependency on oil (foreign oil, that is), which has so many unfortunate consequences and implications. The ever-increasing oil prices do not only lead to economical crises but also to wars for oil disguised as wars against terror. It is hardly a secret anymore that the war in Iraq was primarily motivated by the country's numerous oil deposits. The same is true for the externally-sponsored civil war in Sudan - but this is a completely different story.

It is questionable, however, if the proposed changes can be achieved in 10 years' time. It definitely can't be done on short notice just by self-regulation of the economy. But I'm not sure either if it is such a good idea to try and achieve these goals "by force" (taxation can be considered force). People tend to oppose changes just for the sake of it if they feel "harassed" by the government. Thereby, these political efforts can easily become extremely unpopular, which doesn't help the cause at all. It is, therefore, imperative to convince the people that it is the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also made it to the end of his speech. <img src='http://www.rule-twentynine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Well, there is a lot of truth in his words that something must be done and it must be done right now - totally irrespective, by the way, of the question whether global warming is a reality or but an illusion due to &#8220;normal fluctuations&#8221;. The ongoing scientific discussions about this question (which has not yet been answered conclusively) fuel Gore&#8217;s opponents who gladly accuse him of presenting debated theories as facts, deliberately ignoring that global warming is not the only reason why anything must be changed at all.</p>
<p>For me the most important issue is the dependency on oil (foreign oil, that is), which has so many unfortunate consequences and implications. The ever-increasing oil prices do not only lead to economical crises but also to wars for oil disguised as wars against terror. It is hardly a secret anymore that the war in Iraq was primarily motivated by the country&#8217;s numerous oil deposits. The same is true for the externally-sponsored civil war in Sudan - but this is a completely different story.</p>
<p>It is questionable, however, if the proposed changes can be achieved in 10 years&#8217; time. It definitely can&#8217;t be done on short notice just by self-regulation of the economy. But I&#8217;m not sure either if it is such a good idea to try and achieve these goals &#8220;by force&#8221; (taxation can be considered force). People tend to oppose changes just for the sake of it if they feel &#8220;harassed&#8221; by the government. Thereby, these political efforts can easily become extremely unpopular, which doesn&#8217;t help the cause at all. It is, therefore, imperative to convince the people that it is the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Starstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, many of the reports were actually pretty balanced. The TIME report is wonderful and even the &lt;em&gt;NT Times&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Wash. Post&lt;/em&gt; did it justice.

I mean, I don't mind criticism at all. Not everyone will agree, many people will say the demands he's making are outrageous and so forth. No problem with that. It's the &lt;strong&gt;unqualified&lt;/strong&gt; bashing that annoys me. Interestingly enough, the news agencies and newspapers did a decent job on reporting; with smaller newsgroups it is pretty obvious which way they are oriented politics-wise or who sponsors them. They drag out (and I repeat myself) studies about Gore's personal life which have been PROVEN to be wrong just to discredit the messenger.

I could climb up trees when I read this sh**. They are not smart enough to report the facts and to do research if they want to prove Gore wrong; no, they start a mudslinging to destroy the person so they won't have to listen to "inconvenient truths" anymore.

Sorry for the rant. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, many of the reports were actually pretty balanced. The TIME report is wonderful and even the <em>NT Times</em> and <em>Wash. Post</em> did it justice.</p>
<p>I mean, I don&#8217;t mind criticism at all. Not everyone will agree, many people will say the demands he&#8217;s making are outrageous and so forth. No problem with that. It&#8217;s the <strong>unqualified</strong> bashing that annoys me. Interestingly enough, the news agencies and newspapers did a decent job on reporting; with smaller newsgroups it is pretty obvious which way they are oriented politics-wise or who sponsors them. They drag out (and I repeat myself) studies about Gore&#8217;s personal life which have been PROVEN to be wrong just to discredit the messenger.</p>
<p>I could climb up trees when I read this sh**. They are not smart enough to report the facts and to do research if they want to prove Gore wrong; no, they start a mudslinging to destroy the person so they won&#8217;t have to listen to &#8220;inconvenient truths&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant. <img src='http://www.rule-twentynine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: klti</title>
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		<dc:creator>klti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There were so many news reports out there today that bashed the messenger because they are afraid/cannot understand the message.
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I like to call that the american way of discussion :D

But seriously, what did you expect of the media industry, especially the american? I only say "fair and balanced" *shivers*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There were so many news reports out there today that bashed the messenger because they are afraid/cannot understand the message.
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<p>I like to call that the american way of discussion <img src='http://www.rule-twentynine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But seriously, what did you expect of the media industry, especially the american? I only say &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; *shivers*</p>
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		<title>By: Starstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so with you on that, klti. I also think pollution should be reflected in taxes. Unfortunately, but psychologically explainable, only painful money losses will make people realize that they have to change their way of living and how they go about things.
I have the hope that at least the European Union will be the leader of that change, that our country and our neighbors will not shrink from the challenge and actually establish new laws and regulations. Of course, as always there remains the question, will we do it in time?

I don't know. I try to hope we will, but at the same time I have the same pessimistic view on this, especially when it comes to lobbies, as you do.

BTW, thanks for actually reading through this! I didn't think anyone but me would take the time. And I am just waiting for the first comment to quote the faked report about Al Gore's own energy spending. There were so many news reports out there today that bashed the messenger because they are afraid/cannot understand the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so with you on that, klti. I also think pollution should be reflected in taxes. Unfortunately, but psychologically explainable, only painful money losses will make people realize that they have to change their way of living and how they go about things.<br />
I have the hope that at least the European Union will be the leader of that change, that our country and our neighbors will not shrink from the challenge and actually establish new laws and regulations. Of course, as always there remains the question, will we do it in time?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I try to hope we will, but at the same time I have the same pessimistic view on this, especially when it comes to lobbies, as you do.</p>
<p>BTW, thanks for actually reading through this! I didn&#8217;t think anyone but me would take the time. And I am just waiting for the first comment to quote the faked report about Al Gore&#8217;s own energy spending. There were so many news reports out there today that bashed the messenger because they are afraid/cannot understand the message.</p>
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		<title>By: klti</title>
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		<dc:creator>klti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the ideas are all not really new, but thats a nice package.

He actually touched a Point that I think is most important to the environment issue: pricing in environment damage. When it's cheaper to fill a truck with a product somewhere, drive it through europe, do one production step there, an then transport that product back the whole trip, there is something wrong. Thats because you don't pay for the damage you cause to the environment. I fully support the CO2 tax idea. And it's easily doable too, just collect the tax for the potential CO2 at the time of first sale of oil, coal, gas, etc.

But the problem is the lack of political will to do it. Lobbyism is a big point in that (the oil lobby is the one with the most money), and election-based thinking of politicians doesn't help either.

My opinion: great idea, but not going to happen. I'd love to be proven wrong, but right now I see us paying the huge price for what we have been doing in the last 100 years. Yeah, I'm a pessimist when it comes to politics. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the ideas are all not really new, but thats a nice package.</p>
<p>He actually touched a Point that I think is most important to the environment issue: pricing in environment damage. When it&#8217;s cheaper to fill a truck with a product somewhere, drive it through europe, do one production step there, an then transport that product back the whole trip, there is something wrong. Thats because you don&#8217;t pay for the damage you cause to the environment. I fully support the CO2 tax idea. And it&#8217;s easily doable too, just collect the tax for the potential CO2 at the time of first sale of oil, coal, gas, etc.</p>
<p>But the problem is the lack of political will to do it. Lobbyism is a big point in that (the oil lobby is the one with the most money), and election-based thinking of politicians doesn&#8217;t help either.</p>
<p>My opinion: great idea, but not going to happen. I&#8217;d love to be proven wrong, but right now I see us paying the huge price for what we have been doing in the last 100 years. Yeah, I&#8217;m a pessimist when it comes to politics. <img src='http://www.rule-twentynine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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